Car Categories for the Time To Attack Series

31 Comments

1. KT19

   Posted June 30, 2010 at 3:00 PM

   Hi, you mentioned in the Road Cars category requirement that “No Stripping allowed”.

   Do you mean stripping such as doors ? Or even the rear and passenger seats ?

2. admin

   Posted June 30, 2010 at 3:37 PM

   Hi KT19

   For the Road Car Category,
   We require all cars to have their interior intact, including all seats.

3. bluetaxi

   Posted June 30, 2010 at 4:10 PM

   Then for Road Car will be all go for semi-slick tyres!

4. Hammond

   Posted June 30, 2010 at 5:26 PM

   Tires make a big difference in lap times, even if compared with the same brand, between high performance and semi slicks, eg, Bridgestone’s RE55S vs RE070, Michelin’s PS vs PS Cup, Yokohama’s AD08 vs A048, etc.
   Suggest that tires classes are further categorized, like in the 1st time attack.

5. ari7474

   Posted June 30, 2010 at 7:03 PM

   Hey guys,

   Err.. may i repeat what I understand from above just to be sure?

   Firstly, there are only 3 categories. Class 1/2/3
   Then, all road cars can use any tires EXCEPT full slicks (un-grooved).
   All turbocharged cars will multiply by 1.7 (meaning a 2.0 N/A will be in class 1 whereas a 2.0 Turbo will be in class 2)
   Another thing, if a “road car” that violates any of the ruling above, will be put under the “Race Car” category (ex: removing of rear seats, using full un-grooved slicks, roll cage and etc)

   I’m sorry if my comments above offend anyone but i just want to understand.

   Thank you.

   Ari

6. admin

   Posted June 30, 2010 at 8:30 PM

   bluetaxi / Hammond:

   Thank you for the replies,

   Apart from the purpose of streamlining the categories, the process of organizing the cars and their sessions, we are also trying to periodically increase the competitiveness of the Time Attack event as we progress.

   We fully understand the difference in tyre performance on the circuit,
   But our intention is really not to limit the drivers and their cars.

   Since the Time To Attack is essentially about Lap Times,
   Our aim is for all participants to achieve the best possible lap times, so we’d like to encourage everyone to adopt competitive tyres.

   However, performance road tyres are still welcomed.

   Ari

   Thanks for the question

   You may have mistook the Time Attack/Race Cars categories with the Road Cars Category.

   Let me list them down:

   Road Cars

   * 2WD NA
   o Front and Rear Drive
   * 2WD Turbo
   o Front and Rear Drive
   * 4WD Turbo

   Requirements:

   * Interior – No stripping allowed
   * Tyres – From Performance Road tyres to Semi Slicks
   * Slicks are not Allowed

   Time Attack Machines / Race Cars

   These are welcomed:

   * Interior Stripping
   * Slick Tyres
   * Extensive Aerodynamics
   * Roll cage

   Hall of Fame Categories

   * Class 1 : 2000cc and below
   * Class 2 : 2000cc and above
   * Class 3 : 3000cc and above

   For Turbocharged / Supercharged cars engine displacement will be multiplied by 1.7 as according to FIA standards.

   Example: Mitsubishi Evo 8 1997cc x 1.7 = 3394cc

7. admin

   Posted June 30, 2010 at 8:35 PM

   Ari:

   “Another thing, if a “road car” that violates any of the ruling above, will be put under the “Race Car” category (ex: removing of rear seats, using full un-grooved slicks, roll cage and etc)”

   Yes, we require all road cars to have their interior intact, no use of slicks, and no cages.

   All track junkies with extensively prepped cars are highly encouraged to move on to the Race Cars / Time Attack Machines category for maximum potential!

8. ari7474

   Posted June 30, 2010 at 9:02 PM

   Hello Tom (i’m assuming it’s you),

   Thanks for the clarifications about the road car and race cars. But I’m a bit slow lah.. When you say Road Cars, they are split into 2wd Na, 2wd turbo and 4wd turbo. Did i get that right? And Race Cars are split into Cat 1/2/3?

   Ahhh… Now I get it. I thought the Hall of Fame was for all categories class 1/2/3.
   Sorry..sorry… Okay. Now I understand. The Class 1/2/3 is for Race Cars.. Haiyoo.. Shy only lah.

   Anyway, again, thanks for the clarification about roll cage, interior stripping and full slick tyres.

   Thanks and sorry for my silly questions!

   Cheers!

   -Ari-

9. admin

   Posted June 30, 2010 at 11:02 PM

   Hi Mr 747,

   Yes sir, all of the above are correct

   Actually, thanks for the questions. we’ll re-revise the sheet to make sure it’s crystal clear.

   See you in round II

10. KT19

    Posted July 1, 2010 at 10:52 AM

    Thanks for the replies admin, please let us know when the sheet is up.

    Also, if any Road cars is bumped up to Race Cars category due to the owner not being aware of certain requirements – would you guys consider the Race cars category to have 2 classes ie. Full Slicks & Semi Slicks ?

    The difference in timing of Full Slicks & Semi Slicks is huge (sometimes up to 8 secs), and the difference in price can also be just as huge (up to RM 2800 difference).

11. admin

    Posted July 1, 2010 at 2:50 PM

    Hi KT19

    Thanks

    The sheet has been updated above,

    All drivers will need to look through the Car Categories before they Register, We will also be scrutinizing the cars before they are allowed on the circuit.

    As For Race Cars / Time Attack Cars, though Slicks are allowed, we don’t expect most run them.

    Thank you for your opinions, We hope you understand the reasons for doing so is just to allow drivers to achieve their best lap times

12. Hammond

    Posted July 1, 2010 at 5:46 PM

    Hi Tom,
    Ok, understand your direction. But in my opinion, if you separate the tire classes between road tires and semi slicks, you may have more road going daily drive cars participating. IF the range is so big, i.e. same car, same engine but diff tires, for example, RM200 per tire vs. RM1000 per tire of the same size, then, those with the cheaper tires would have little chance of getting a good timing, assuming driver skills the same. People will be afraid to join, and many will always think that their car is not ready yet.
    On the other hand, if there is a class for road tires, then your market will be bigger

13. admin

    Posted July 1, 2010 at 7:19 PM

    hi Hammond

    thanks for the reply,
    We accept suggestions from everyone. I’d assure everyone that we’re not trying to offend anyone by offering our reasons for freeing the tyre limitations.

    Though tyres make a difference, there are many other aspects that determines a good lap time including engine mods, suspension choices, driving style and more.

    I would also to urge any concerned participant to not worry too much about tyre classes as the Time To Attack event is also designed to allow drivers to progressively improve their Lap Times and not so much take it as a competition between drivers.

    Let’s not doubt ourselves just because some one else is driving on a better tyre.

    The Best thing about being inferior to is the sweet taste of achieving better results than

    Then again, Tyre is just one aspect.

14. Warsteiner

    Posted July 4, 2010 at 12:34 PM

    hi tom

    i need to remove my rear seats to adjust my rear suspension and i believe there are many others like me. for this reason, can u limit interior stripping to removal of back seats only?

    with the removal of tire categories, you will expect the gap of participants in each car category to widen and since no overtaking is allowed, the problem of obstruction will arise. for the time attack runs, i have suggested before and will suggest again to have a qualification session for all participants to group by timing instead of categories to prevent obstruction or even unwanted incidents. at the end, the results will off course be grouped by car categories.

15. KT19

    Posted July 5, 2010 at 11:39 AM

    Absolutely agreeing with Tom here… Do consider to allow rear seats & rear boot to be removed for ease of adjusting suspensions and harnesses.

    The weight savings when removing these items is next to nothing but makes it so much more convenient to adjust settings for those of us affected.

16. KT19

    Posted July 5, 2010 at 11:41 AM

    Sorry i mean agreeing with Warsteiner on my above post

17. ari7474

    Posted July 5, 2010 at 10:29 PM

    Hey Tom, may I suggest those on a HOT lap to switch on their lights?
    At least those on the out lap or cool down lap will move out of the way of those charging down behind you with their lights on..

    Just a thought…

    Thanks..

18. admin

    Posted July 5, 2010 at 11:35 PM

    hi warsteiner,

    Thanks for the suggestions on the gapping part, as well as highlighting the reasons for removing the rear seats.

    We will run this through the team and provide an answer ASAP.

    ari,

    your brilliant suggestion will be considered

    Thanks!

19. admin

    Posted July 6, 2010 at 8:09 PM

    Hi Everyone,

    Though road car categories will be run within classes during their sessions as a group regardless of their tyre types,

    The Hall of Fame will continue to recognize Tyre Types for all Road Cars as usual.

    Thank you!

20. Andersen

    Posted July 7, 2010 at 12:45 AM

    I am confusing ” No stripping allowed ” what is this? I dont really understand, sorry my bad english.

    When is the due date for submition form & $ ??? lol

21. admin

    Posted July 7, 2010 at 3:27 PM

    hi Anderson

    thanks for the question,

    Strip = Remove
    So No Stripping allowed would mean the interior has to remain intact

    Our closing date is 16th of July

    Thanks

22. steadymatrock

    Posted July 7, 2010 at 7:56 PM

    Hi Admin,

    I think the removal of the back seat is necessary for some road cars to fit their harnesses. Its just the back seat not the back rest which weighs more. What about road cars fitted with a set of bucket seats?

23. kowreck corleone

    Posted July 9, 2010 at 2:29 PM

    just wanna ask, whats the smallest capacity engine that had competed at the las T2A???

24. Harold

    Posted July 12, 2010 at 5:04 PM

    A number of us use Hoosiers that are supplied with a single groove down the centre of the wheel ie: in the US they are not considered as full slicks. Is this the case as well for this series, as they are very much closer to a full slick than any other tire I can think of, but still have a groove in them….

25. admin

    Posted July 13, 2010 at 12:43 PM

    hi everyone, thank you very much for the suggestions

    kowreck, that’ll be the 1.3 RX8, the 1.6 Civics

26. Warsteiner

    Posted October 27, 2010 at 5:09 PM

    a lot of cars had their back seats removed for TTA2 and no action taken. does this mean everyone can remove their back seats for TTA3?

27. admin

    Posted October 27, 2010 at 9:16 PM

    Hi Warsteiner

    thanks for the comment,

    The Time To Attack series is designed to welcome all Track Enthusiasts to enjoy the Time Attack experience that we have prepared. We have set rules that we feel will maintain fairness throughout the series. We admit that it is not perfect but we will be fine tuning these rules as we move on.

    We hope that all participants understand the reason why we impose the “retain the back seat” rule. Which is simply to maintain the road car status throughout the category.

    We really do not have any intentions to make things difficult for any participant.

    As for your comment regarding lots of cars removing their back seats and no action taken, which we can’t solidly prove otherwise, however, we do know that there a few cars that had forgotten to replace their back seats after calibrating their rear suspension. They were promptly reminded to replace them during their next session which they did.

    The TTA2 being our 2nd try at the Time Attack event was as, if not more educational for the TTA Team, so we’d like to request for all participants to go easy on us and be convinced that we’ll do better as we organize more of these TTAs for enthusiasts like you.

    Who knows, if streamlining the TTA in the future requires us to make amendments to the rules we may just remove the “retain the back seat” rule for the next TTA Series?

    Thanks Warsteiner
    Tom

28. Warsteiner

    Posted October 28, 2010 at 8:14 AM

    hi tom,

    i wasn’t pin pointing on any imperfection of the event, it was indeed a very successful event IMO. in fact i was glad no action was taken in TTA2 and i was hoping that you would change the rules so everyone can remove their back seats in TTA3. removing the back seat doesn’t change the car’s status nor give much weight advantage. the drivers wanna be doing something else in the pits rather than removing and replacing their back seats back n forth! i think everyone wants more action and not more rules especially redundant ones like this. pls consider… thx

29. admin

    Posted October 28, 2010 at 1:34 PM

    hi Warsteiner

    Thanks for the reply, I’m also glad you enjoyed the TTAs
    I fully understand your point now, in fact, there are also a number of participants who are requesting for the rule to be lifted.

    We have been keeping that suggestion in view. But as for lifting the rule for the coming TTA3, I will need to discuss this with the TTA Team today,

    Thanks for support Warsteiner

30. Harold

    Posted October 31, 2010 at 7:23 AM

    Tom,

    Further to my earlier query, its a bit too late but would still like clarification for future events- a lot of us use Hoosier R6’s which have two grooves down the centre and are rated as semi slicks based on wear rating in the US.

    Will you be allowing these in the future?

    If you do I can assure you there will be a big jump in entrants in your exotic car class. Indeed as you mentioned, we are all trying to get the maximum times out of our cars, and whilst some exotics such as the GTR have their engines tuned up for HP, others of us choose to leave the car well alone eg 997 GT3RS but maximise handling with tires such as the Hoosier R6 and feel that we should not be penalised for not having high HP cars but choosing to concentrate on grip instead (especially if the tires do not have a full slick rating elsewhere).

    Thanks for your feedback.

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